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Thread #121446   Message #2654516
Posted By: John P
11-Jun-09 - 09:58 PM
Thread Name: BS: Science and Religion
Subject: RE: BS: Science and Religion
Sorry, Little Hawk, but you're barking up the wrong tree again. I know, of course, that there are lots of definitions for the word "faith", and I agree that many of the examples you give are not antithetical to rational thought. In this context, however, and considering that I was replying to specific posts about religion, I think it is easy to figure out what I meant by faith. Perhaps you ought to think about what's really being said before you broaden a definition beyond its easily identifiable context and start accusing me of being prejudiced. Had you considered actually replying to what you actually know I was actually saying?

You seem to be saying that I'm not a spiritually inclined person. This theory is based on what? As it happens, I very much am spiritually inclined. Perhaps you ought to inspect your own prejudices, where "prejudice" means jumping to conclusions without any evidence.

Just in case you are actually having trouble keeping up, I was offended by you, once again, saying that the "faith" in "faith in god" is the same as a "faith" in the disbelief that something exists for which there is no evidence. "Some people make science their religion" is bullshit if "religion" includes faith. And, yes, before you start spouting off again, I know that the word "religion" doesn't automatically include faith. You'll just have to have faith that it does in the context in which I'm using it.

But, nice guy that I am, I'll digress with you and reply to your list with what I have "faith" in.

- familiarity
As in, experience has indicated that something is true? Reasonable amounts of faith.

- past experience
Ditto.

- rational thought
Some, but not complete faith.

- emotional habits
As in, if I feel like something once, I will feel the same way in a similar circumstance? Very little faith. The issue is WAY too complex.

- social customs
Unclear. Faith that most people will follow them? Little. Faith in their usefulness? 80%. Faith that I will follow them? None at all. I try to decide such things on a case-by-case basis.

- what your parents told you
Some yes, some no. I'm not a robot.

- what your teachers told you
Some yes, some no. Teachers have a habit (not necessarily bad) of inserting all sorts of other thoughts along with the hard data. And faith in what they say depends totally on the teacher. Case-by-case basis.

- what your government told you
None at all.

- what the books you read told you
Case-by-case basis.

- what your friends told you
Ditto.

- what your culture told you
None at all.

- what your doctor told you
Case-by-case basis.

- what "the news" told you
Ditto.

- what your psychiatrist told you
Hee hee hee.

- what your pastor told you
Case-by-case basis.

- AND what you figured out for yourself
Ditto.