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Thread #121502   Message #2661299
Posted By: CarolC
21-Jun-09 - 01:03 AM
Thread Name: BS: Election in Iran
Subject: RE: BS: Election in Iran
Reason was also a key feature of the Islamic golden age. Ibn al-Haytham, would be a prime example as someone who pioneered the use of the scientific method. He said, "Truth is sought for its own sake. And those who are engaged upon the quest for anything for its own sake are not interested in other things". This is someone who is interested in truth independent of any religious or spiritual considerations.

And another, a Muslim jurist and theologian named Abu Hamid al-Ghazzali, said this, "Mathematics comprises the knowledge of calculation, geometry, and cosmography: it has no connection with the religious sciences, and proves nothing for or against religion...It is therefore a great injury to religion to suppose that the defense of Islam involves the condemnation of the exact sciences." (from here)

Islamic scholars and philosophers also embraced the concept of democracy, both during the middle ages as well as more recently...

"The early Islamic philosopher, Al-Farabi (c. 872-950), in one of his most notable works Al-Madina al-Fadila, theorized an ideal Islamic state which he compared to Plato's The Republic.[15] Al-Farabi departed from the Platonic view in that he regarded the ideal state to be ruled by the prophet-imam, instead of the philosopher king envisaged by Plato. Al-Farabi argued that the ideal state was the city-state of Medina when it was governed by Muhammad as its head of state, as he was in direct communion with God whose law was revealed to him. In the absence of the prophet-imam, Al-Farabi considered democracy as the closest to the ideal state, regarding the republican order of the Rashidun Caliphate as an example within early Muslim history. However, he also maintained that it was from democracy that imperfect states emerged, noting how the republican order of the early Islamic Caliphate of the Rashidun caliphs was later replaced by a form of government resembling a monarchy under the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties.[16]

A thousand years later, the modern Islamic philosopher, Muhammad Iqbal (1877-1938), also viewed the early Islamic Caliphate as being compatible with democracy. He 'welcomed the formation of popularly elected legislative assemblies' in the Muslim world as a 'return to the original purity of Islam.' He argued that Islam had the "germs of an economic and democratic organization of society', but that this growth was stunted by the expansive Muslim conquests, which established the Caliphate as a great Islamic empire but led to political Islamic ideals being 'repaganized' and the early Muslims losing sight of the "most important potentialities of their faith."[17]


There is absolutely no basis to the assertion that democracy would never have arisen on its own in Iran, or that it is incompatible with Muslim thought and philosophy. As we can see, in Islam, there is a history of democratic thought, and in the 1900s Iran was in the process of establishing it's own democracy until the US crushed it.