Oy! I've been chatting with a lovely young Thai girl on the morning commute. I was quite suprised when after 3 months of pleasantries (conversation is a bit limited - her written English is, I hear, excellent, but she has big problems with consonants) she told me she is an engineer, specialising in plastics technology. Not at all what I expected- she's only over here, working in Thai restaurants in the evenings, to learn the language. Wasp waisted, but no WASP.

Riginslinger, please tell us some sources, a link will do. There's a lot of hot air (on all sides) about Native Americans, and it's as well to be as open as possible about things. You may not be wrong, but I for one would like to know.

But back to the B*P. We know what they mean- and it's sad that England has failed to develop a nationalism that isn't shortthand for "send them home". Nationalism can be inclusive or exclusive. That's why Irish nationalism is so successful- at least up to the demise of the tiger, it projected "look here, we've got a great culture, come and share it". Whereas the English Tories (respectable right to USians, and FAR to the left of most Republicans, and many Democrats for that matter) have allied themselves with a shower of Latvian headbangers who worship the Waffen SS, and the Cross of Saint George symbolises either football hooliganism or xenophobia.