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Thread #122094   Message #2674894
Posted By: Jack Campin
08-Jul-09 - 01:35 PM
Thread Name: BS: Seeking Information About Black Britons
Subject: RE: BS: Seeking Information About Black Britons
It just occurs to me, Jack, that you might be including Pakistanis and people from what Americans have called "The Middle East" in your definition of "Black Britons".

No, what I meant was that the state has used this "community leader" tactic against people of both African and Asian descent - the colonial system worked in similar ways in Africa and India, and as I see it, this technique of political control is an import from the colonies into the domestic scene. (Right now, it's mainly used against Muslims; they gave up looking for "community leaders" who could domesticate the Afro-Caribbean population quite a while ago, maybe when Bernie Grant didn't do what they wanted in the aftermath of the Tottenham riots).

One aspect in which the Black experience in the UK is very different from the US is that there was no domestic slave economy - well, you knew that. There was still oppression, but it was colonial oppression in the countries the immigrants came from, conducted the British way. Which was an experience shared with Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Arabs and anybody else who got moved around in British imperialism's global chess game with human populations and finished up here. Looking for commonalities with other immigrant minorities is usually more illuminating than looking for specificities.

I just tried googling "community leader riot" expecting most of the hits to relate to the UK. They didn't. I was surprised how far the idea had got.