"They're a bit like all the folkies back in the mid-60s...caught up so much in their own perceived moral purity and saying all the 'right' things to each other loudly...and Oh! just so pleased to find some outcast heretics like Akenaton or GfS to pounce on and eviscerate with holy ardor....but do they actually give a damn about most gay people?"

Little Hawk, I don't know how old you are, but the view you have of "folkies in the mid-60s" is strictly shallow stereotyping and is misleading and inaccurate. I lived through that era as a adult, so I do know what it was like.

Your idea of the "folkies back in the mid-60s" and Ake's idea of Liberals and the "Liberal agenda" are fictitious constructs based on stereotypes, probably learned from people who have no idea of what it's all about, and on that basis, view it with contempt.

What Little Hawk and Ake are saying is highly offensive and insulting to the people who were and are involved. But I write it off as the babblings of a couple of guys who haven't a clue as to what they're talking about and have more than amply demonstrated that they are not qualified to speak on the subject.

Don Firth