wow that took a long time to catch up.
i love this thread, i have had a history lesson, an R.E one a language one and a political one with some humour and seriousness thrown in, now where else can i get that?

LH, correct me if i am wrong but i can sort of see where you and ake, are coming from. example(may be wrong) animal rights groups,people who spout rights for animals and then neglect their own pets by not fleaing or worming them, they take them to rallies and protests where there is alot of noise, where they cannot see anything but legs. just to prove how much they love their dogs,and cats but they do not get hauled around as a sign of comitment. is that the type of people you are both refering to, only about rights of gays.

the ability to have children should not be an issue, there are plenty of people who cannot have kids, does this mean that society would frown upon them getting wed?   
or what about widows and widowers who are past child bearing age, should they be stopped from having their union recognised by others as a marriage?

the abitilty to have kids should be the same as science,just becuse we can, doesn't mean we should.
don't get me started on the people i know who have them and don't look after them as they should do.
just a sec

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thats better.

take care all and never take for granted those who love you

jade x x x x