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Thread #120986   Message #2678974
Posted By: Royston
13-Jul-09 - 07:45 AM
Thread Name: BS: BNP: What would you do?
Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
Keith,

There are quite legitimate concerns about mass immigration.

You're absolutely right. And this is why I want the debate taken away from the BNP and why I keep imploring people to lobby their MP's to be tough on Racists, tough on the causes of Racism.

Build enough schools to accommodate everyone in this country
Build enough council/social houses
Build enough hospitals.

Mainstream politicians need to tell the truth about the numbers (which will prove we have no "mass" immigration, save for Eeastern Europeans 2004-2007 whose numbers are now reducing dramatically), and tell the truth about why we need immigration - and in greater numbers than we now have.

I took the following article from the Daily Mail. It is unusually thoughtful, although I don't agree with all of it. But it is a well researched piece of work that many may trust more than an article in the Guardian or from a think-tank. The whole thing is at

HERE

But the piece that is important to the question "why we need immigration" is...

OUR AGEING POPULATION The fastest-growing segment of the population is the over-85s, the figures showed. A record 1,243,000 have now passed the age of 85 and the group grew by 6 per cent last year.

The number of people over retirement age is now 11,344,000 - up 1 per cent in a year.

There are concerns that Britain's ageing population will become difficult to sustain because there are fewer taxpayers to pay for older people's pensions and health care costs.

The working age population is growing, although more slowly - it was up by 0.8 per cent to 37,710,000.

At the same time the number of children under 16 dropped by 0.4 per cent to 11,537,000. Overall numbers went up by 349,000 to 60,587,000, according to the figures.

Just over half of the increase was attributed to immigration, the rest to increasing birth rates. These are rising largely because recent immigrants are having more children than the existing population.

One in four of the 734,000 babies born last year had a parent who was born abroad. This is up from one in five in 2001.

The rising number of children born to migrants compares with much lower birthrates among women whose background is wholly British


And, by the way, the description "...whose background is wholly British" refers to women born in this country, regardless of ethnicity. I checked on the ONS data.

So this links in with my other great personal crusade - to get people to realise the lies that politicians tell about pensions.

Pensions are a Ponzi fraud. All of them.

Personal Equity Pensions won't work, free-markets can't sustain the top-heavy inverted pyramid of the population's age-profile.

Each and every final-salary pension plan WILL FAIL for the same reason as the equity plans, only they will all fail more quickly because an individual corporate entity's pension scheme will crumble more quickly under the demands of shareholders for profitability.

Only public sector workers whose pensions are paid from tax can theoretically survive this storm, so long as the rest of us are willing to keep paying exponentially higher taxes to fund them. (more state-pensioners + dwindlwing tax-payers = exponential ries in tax).

Frank Field is right to point out that this disparity will lead to civil unrest on a catastrophic scale. Governments and professional continuity and contingency planners are already working up scenarios for this while they continue to tell people "don't worry".

So our only real hope is to continue to strive for economic success, distribute wealth more fairly, pay higher taxes AND increase the tax-base. We really need to work out how we do that together and it begins with honesty and open-minded thinking.