Can I remind everyone who doesn't understand the title this is A Discursive Thread, not an Inquisition. Anyone who fancies themselves as Torquemada or showing their shiny instruments to would-be victims will find plenty of those kind of 'debates' elsewhere on Mudcat. Let them piss in other wells.

Brow-beating, the use of question marks as meat hooks and whatever cock of the walk status they may enjoy in normal life hold no thrall here. Bullying will not be tolerated, which is to say it will not be read, by the OP at least. Don't expect baiting traps to be picked up, I'll be responding to the last sensible post even if I disagree with it.