Hi Don....Firstly, before I finish here, I would like to apologise for any offense I have given to you personally, but trying to paint me as a psycopathic hate filled bully, as you have done in your last post, hardly encourages friendly debate. When I am attacked in such a manner,I usually respond in kind.

I have no objection to anyone having a political agenda...I have one myself, which would seem outlandish to most people here, but it does not involve the manipulation of people or their views in its pursuit.
The "liberal" political agenda, as opposed to liberal thought, is "Orwellian" in concept and practice. I believe that implicitely and my views are borne out by many who are much better educated than I am.
I know two homosexual couples, they are both appalled by the controversy engendered by the "liberals" and activists, they feel it is serving no useful purpose and that legal rights can be achieved through a civil union.
Neither of these couples are in a civil union at present, and have no desire to be...."they just wan't a bit of peace"

From my view regarding the health figures this may be rather selfish, but these couples see themseves as separate from mainstream homosexuality and its attendant problems.

In conclusion Don, my agenda is to get people to start thinking for themselves and be unafraid to stand against political manipulation where ever they encounter it.

For me it has meant months of repetition and much of my valuable time, but at the end of this thread we are addressing the issues, rather than attempting to stop a politically "inconvenient" discussion.......Apologies and best wishes Ake.