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Thread #80010   Message #2686863
Posted By: Steve Gardham
25-Jul-09 - 12:40 PM
Thread Name: Origins: Buttercup Joe - how old is this song?
Subject: RE: Origins: Buttercup Joe - how old is this song?
Ah, that's better! I tried to update this thread yesterday but I think the list was down.

Having taken over the notes to 'The Wanton Seed' from Malcolm, I was wondering if we can lay this ghost to rest. I've tried Googling Harry Garratt with no further luck.

I can add some info to the above however.

The broadside in the Bodleian was printed by Pearson of Manchester. I have a copy of another issue of almost the same broadsheet from the Manchester Central Library Collection. Its stock number 657 is definitely Pearson's and almost certainly c1870. The Manchester collection has long runs of Pearson's issues and those of his predecessor Bebbington whose stock he took over maintaining Bebbington's sequence of stock numbers.

What this enables us to do is to approximately date the song.
Stock number 653 is Arthur Lloyd's 'It's Naughty but it's Nice' which is 1873, and stock number 699 is Lloyd's famous 'Married to a Mermaid' which is 1866.

I have emailed one of my Music Hall collector friends and asked him if he can shed any light on Garratt's career, but any help with this or further suggestions would be welcome.