Ok, the tape I used, whilst branded "Gaffa Tape" was obviously not "the real thing" it is black, only cost about $11.00 a roll 10 metres and 50mm wide (2"). However I put it on ten or more years ago and it's still stuck there. Interesting stuff about Gaffer/Gaffa origins and tape though ("tho" for the American cultural oddities thread) Has anyone got anything to say about baters (the thing you hit the bodhran with) I have a friend who is a talanted woodcarver who made one for me about 200mm (8") long with carved fists at each end, looks and plays great regards Ted