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Thread #122449   Message #2691596
Posted By: Royston
01-Aug-09 - 10:12 AM
Thread Name: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
Now we are making progress, Fairplay.

OK, I give in. Mass immigration isn't happening and the country couldn't exist without it. Islam is good for women and gays. The BNP is totally insignificant and a huge threat. The UAF isn't violent or run by the SWP. I have now landed on Planet Madcap and am fully on message

Mass immigration: you're right it is NOT happening. Not at least in any way that can be described as "mass", "unfettered" or "swamping".

Islam / Women: That some Muslims are misogynists does not make *Islam* or *all muslims* misogynistic. Because they dress and think differently to Europeans does not make *all muslim women* suppressed or down-trodden. If you took the trouble to get to know your Muslim neighbours you would see that family dynamics are pretty bloody similar to Europeans. Man of the house gets his ego massaged (if he's lucky) while everything gets done the way the missus wants it.

Islam / Gays: When was the last time you saw or heard a Muslim in the media, courts or press or on the streets of this country making life miserable for gays? Never, or rarely. However, the homegrown Aryan Christians - constantly banging on about hellfire, damnation and actively going to the courts for the right - THE RIGHT - to disriminate against gays in the provision of public services: The recent case of public sevants refusing to enable same-sex civil partnerships being just one example. So, yes I am pretty comfortable about my Muslim neighbours on that front; they are entitled to their private views and they keep them pretty private.

BNP: Insignificant now, but a real growing danger if left unchecked.

UAF: Not violent - you keep alluding to this violence but you never give an example. Because there isn't one. I don't regard throwing eggs at Griffin as violent. UAF is not run by the SWP. There are a lot of stakeholders, the largest is the UCU and the long list of unions that support it via the TUC. Most left wing political figures and activists have their roots in SWP. So do I. I left it about 15 years ago because I disagreed with it. What IS your point?