Would they exist without the revival? By all accounts (see HERE) Bampton was pretty much dead before it was co-opted by Sharp; I believe the situation in Chipping Camden was even worse (see HERE). In what sense might such a circumstance be described as traditional? But please note that I allow for a modicum of continuity, thus do I say pretty much. And I'm certainly not knocking Morris, just feel it's good to keep the historical myths & fantasy fakelore in perspective.