I'd also point out howvever that Greg F is also a damned good guy. Thing is, I know most of you to a greater or lesser degree and don't find any of you objectionable, or nuts, or rude, etc. People express themselves differently and stuff does seem to get lost in translation. I think maybe we've all said things we didn't mean in "the heat of the moment". But, it doesn't have to last forever. Nor should it.

In the process of ripping each other apart for one thing or another, we have lost sight of the real problem (which in my opinion) is a wasted expenditure to protect their stock holders' interests--read their own interests, because most CEOs of large insurance companies could retire right now and have enough blood money to last the rest of their lives. It is about greed in high places, not a few posts in which a few of us lose our cool.