That was this: "Well, WAV, I could not be arsed carefully to read that load of bolleaux by a non-Englishman about what the English tradition comprises, but no, I did not see any rational argument or evidence to such a conclusion."...I'm an English repat. (actually born in Manchester the day Alf Ramsey's English team won the World Cup), RB; and that Joseph Taylor argument is rational - check with the EFDSS, if you like.