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Thread #123317   Message #2713879
Posted By: Azizi
01-Sep-09 - 02:21 PM
Thread Name: Negro Folk Rhymes (Thomas W. Talley)
Subject: RE: Folklore: Negro Folk Rhymes (Thomas W. Talley)
Here is Part I of a hyperlinked list of references in Mudcat's public threads to Thomas Washington Talley's book Negro Folk Rhymes, Wise and Other Wise.

My method of compiling this list is to use Mudcat's internal search engine (I put in the words Negro Folk Rhymes). I apologize for missing any references to those songs that are in Mudcat public forum threads. Also, these threads are listed in the order that they are found in Mudcat's internal search engine, which may or may not be in chronological order. Part I just ends where I arbitrarily ended for this session. Note: these posts contain textual analysis and other comments as well as song lyrics..


MUDCAT DISCUSSION FORUM POSTS ABOUT TALLEY'S "NEGRO FOLK RHYMES"-
Part I.   

Subject: RE: origin and lyr: Sail Away Ladies
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 08:23 PM

Song-Sail Away Ladies
thread.cfm?threadid=97649#1923656

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Subject: Lyr Add: LEAD A MAN and MY MAMMY STOLE A COW
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 09:08 PM

Song "Lead a Man" is from a song entitled "Dance Song" that is found in Dorothy Scarborough's 1925 collection On The Trial of Negro Folk Songs.

"Mammy Stole A Cow" is found in Talley's book.


thread.cfm?threadid=97649#1923675

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Subject: RE: A Man Of Words And Not Of Deeds
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 14 Jul 07 - 10:26 PM

song-"A Man Of Words"

thread.cfm?threadid=103320#2102884

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Subject: RE: add/origins: A Man Of Words And Not Of Deeds
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 02:00 PM

song-"Old Man Know-All"

thread.cfm?threadid=103320#2102875

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Subject: RE: add/origins: A Man Of Words And Not Of Deeds
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 07:15 PM

song-"She Hugged Me And She Kissed Me"

thread.cfm?threadid=103320#2103682

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Subject: RE: Racial Referents-Negro, Quadroon, etc
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 25 May 08 - 09:42 AM

song-"Stand Back, Black Man"

thread.cfm?threadid=111488#2348765

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Subject: RE: Racial Referents-Negro, Quadroon, etc
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 25 May 08 - 10:15 AM

song-"I Wouldn't Marry A Yellow Or A White Negro Girl"

thread.cfm?threadid=111488#2348784

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: There once was a rabbit developed a habit
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 09:11 PM

song -"There once was a rabbit developed a habit"
thread.cfm?threadid=69479#2085232

Note: I quoted an excerpt of a review but mistakenly indicated that this was a review of "Negro Folk Rhymes". Actually, the review was of another Talley book The Negro Traditions, edited by Charles K. Wolfe and Laura C. Jarmon.

http://utpress.org/a/searchdetails.php?jobno=T00433

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Behold That Star
From: Mary in Kentucky - PM
Date: 10 Dec 01 - 04:05 PM

Includes an excerpt from Charles' Wolf's introduction to the 1991 edition of that book; This portion is about about Talley's original composition. The Christmas song "Behold That Star"
Mary in Kentucky indicates that this information from Mudcat was gathered by Mudcatter Masato Sakurai.

thread.cfm?threadid=41958#607367

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Walking on the Green Grass
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 01:04 AM

song-"Here Comes A Young Man Courting"

thread.cfm?threadid=80573#1469660

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Walking on the Green Grass
From: Q - PM
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 03:54 PM

-song No. 287 Taking a Walk [from the 1991 Univesity of Tennesse edition of this book, edited by Charles K. Wolfe)

thread.cfm?threadid=80573#1471589

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Walking on the Green Grass
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 04:33 PM

song-"Gooseberry Wine"

This song includes the verse:
Oh walk chalk, Ginger Blue!
Git over double trouble

thread.cfm?threadid=80573#1471629

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Subject: RE: Origins: Who wrote Polly Wolly Doodle
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 09:19 AM

This post includes this comment about the source of the rhymes found in Talley's book:

..."Talley, an African American professor at Fisk, indicated in his book that these rhymes were from his childhood memories as well as collected from his [African American] students. He also writes that many of these songs were very old..

Beyond that, no other sources are cited {for instance, Talley didn't say that x song was from y student from a specific state who heard the song in a specified year under specified circumstances. While these kind of demographics would have been great to have, I'm very grateful that Talley documented these songs."…

thread.cfm?threadid=6378#1608110

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Subject: RE: Origins: Who wrote Polly Wolly Doodle
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 17 Dec 04 - 11:58 AM

This post includes a number of "went to the river but couldn't get across lines; and other lines found in or similar to verses in the folk song "Polly Wolly Doodle".

thread.cfm?threadid=6378#1359792

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Subject: Lyr Add: CHICKEN IN THE BREAD TRAY and CHICKEN PIE
From: GUEST,Q - PM
Date: 12 Jul 03 - 08:58 PM

Song-"Chicken In The Bread Tray"

This song starts with the verse:
"Auntie, will yo' dog bite?"
"No, chile, No!"

This post also includes the song or an excerpt of the song:
"Chicken Pie"

And "Chicken Pie"
thread.cfm?threadid=61157#982076