Derek,it just wont wash,
how can anyone say that Recruited Collier or Reynardine is a folk song and Masters of War is not,it really is rich coming from Bert Lloyd,considering that he pretended to collect Recruited Collier,
now what is important is that they [Masters of War AND Recruited Collier] are both good songs.
we dont need new terms at all,again that is just bullshit,within the category folk song[if we have to have that label,in the existing repertoire we have love songs plus songs of social comment,and many other songs Dark eyed Sailor ,Hard Times of Old England. Patience Kershaw]The last two are songs of social comment,yet Bert has no trouble with that,why should there be a problem with Bob Dylan songs ,Masters of War and others fit all the criteria,he was quite incorrect to say that we needed a new term.
Bob Dylans songs cant be dismissed like that,some are very good and fit all the criteria of a Folk song,or[perhaps this is a better phrase] are compatible with the traditional repertoire others are crap and do not
If Bert had qualified his statement[which Dylan songs and why] and been more specific it might have made sense .
Bert Lloyd was friend of my parents,I think he was a good singer and did a lot of good for the Folk Revival,however he was not a God or Guru, his scholarship on occasions was dodgy and on occasions he talked rubbish.