Howard,I said that Dylans songs [or some of them were compatible with the traditional repertoire]I gave examples of songs of social comment,Patience Kershaw,Hard Times of old England which are accepted and which Lloyd accepted as folksongs along with Dark Eyed Sailor,I am saying that Masters of War and at least one other song[Dylan song ]are compatible with the traditional repertoire,and therefore Lloyd was wrong to duismiss all dylans material.
you come out with a subjective unqualified statement,that Dylans songs are different from Tam lin,of course they are,so is Patience K different from Tam Lin it is a social comment song written in a traditional style so is Masters of War .
M of W sits happily in the trad repertoire.
this thread is not about peoples personalities,but for the record I did know Bert Lloyd,he was a pleasant, intelligent man.
I did find Ewan arrogant on one occasion.that does not alter the fact he was avery talented individual.
MGM also quoted an example of MacColls arrogance in relation to John Brunner arrogance.
Lloyds scholarship and intellectual dishonesty have question marks against them,which is why I examine all his statements carefully and do not take some of his utterances too seriuosly,he was not a guru,and his opinions are not gospel,and on this occasion he is barking up the wrong tree .