Again, I point out that the first thing that has to settled--regardless of what comes next--is whether or not we want universal affordable health care. The arguments about those hordes of illegal immigrants aren't really relevant to this point (though they well may be if the point is accepted and it becomes a matter of implementation). And, I'd like to point out, that the uninsured, including the undocumented, can currently use emergency room services---one of the most expensive, least effective approaches to health care.