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Thread #122690   Message #2719607
Posted By: Emma B
09-Sep-09 - 05:26 AM
Thread Name: BS: Hate laws
Subject: RE: BS: Hate laws
Well that is your 'opinion' ...... defined as 'a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence.
It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts.


But let's summarize......

"Every crime they cover is already illegal under existing laws."

Protecting a group under hate crimes legislation will make the public aware that the group is vulnerable, has been extensively victimized in the past, and is in need of protection.
Many victims have been attacked by strangers because of their gender, sexual orientation, sexual identity, or ability status in the past
Legislation should be expanded to cover them to distinguish as
motivation isn't the issue here – intent is.
Attacking a black person to coerce or intimidate other black people is materially worse than randomly assaulting some unfortunate passerby. The later is aimed at only one person; the former targets a community.


"By granting special consideration to victims of 'politically incorrect' crimes, the legislation denies equal protection under the law."

A hate crime is more serious than a conventional crime because it abuses more than the immediate victim.

When a criminal act is based on a factors such as a victim's race, gender, sexual orientation or religion, it takes on some of the characteristics of a terrorist act.
The victim and the perpetrator are typically strangers.
The crime is not directed simply against one person; it is intended to target and intimidate the victim's entire group.
These acts have been referred to as "message crimes:" violence intended to send a message to a minority group within a community.

"Such legislation should only apply to personal characteristics that are beyond the individual's control, like gender, race, national origin, color, disability. Homosexuality is a chosen and changeable preference for members of the same gender."

Denying sexual orientation as a protected class because it is a chosen behavior cannot be supported because there is growing evidence that sexual orientation is not chosen.

Religion is already a protected class and is clearly chosen and changeable.


- The arguments in quotes are taken from an American para Christian fundamentalist group and issued as a 'CitizenLink Special Alert'
The replies are from a group advocating and promoting tolerance by all world religions