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Thread #123431   Message #2724076
Posted By: John P
15-Sep-09 - 09:10 AM
Thread Name: What is The Tradition?
Subject: RE: What is The Tradition?
I have little by way of estimation of Folk and The Tradition as both are nebulous constructs that have no clear objective currency outside of a parasitical psuedo-science which has nothing to do with the singers and the songs other than to see them as objects for the taxonomical hysteria that typifies the fundamentalism thereof.

Oddly, I've been playing traditional folk music (and you DO know what I mean by that, even if you pretend otherwise), for about 30 years and I don't find traditional music to be in any way a nebulous construct. It has very clear, objective currency in my life. Nor do I feel at all hysterical when I try to define what it is that I do. I don't give a rat's ass what some academic wants to call it in the academic world. I do give a bit of a rat's ass what you want to call it, since you are in the real world and are consciously trying to change the meaning of the words that describe what I do.

There are folks in this discussion who do qualify as academics in the study of traditional folk music. Are you sure you want to tell them they are practicing a parasitical pseudo-science? Especially coming from a place, as you are, where you start long debates trying to convince people that words with established meanings actually mean something else? That is even worse than pseudo-science. It appears to be pseudo-thought. Or maybe just sophomoric pun-making with words that are spelled the same but have different meanings. That can be fun, but is a waste of time in any serious conversation.

all music is part of a tradition and all songs are traditional songs with respect of their particular idiom

Yes, yes, we know what you mean. It doesn't indicate a clear concept of how to communicate using the English language, but we do get what you're saying. EVERYTHING has some sort of tradition -- weavers, masons, and presidents all have traditions. Families acquire traditions. When the word "tradition" is used in the context of talking about folk music, it has a very specific meaning that is not the same as the general definition. "Traditional folk music" doesn't mean the same thing as "there's a long tradition of using a Stratocaster for electric blues" or "we have a family tradition of going to Phoenix every January".

Having finally given up using the word "folk" to describe music that gets handed down over the generations, we are now being asked to also give up "traditional". What's your suggestion for a replacement? Or do we all just play "music"? I can't see that working very well when someone says, "what kind of music do you play?" and I say, "music". "But what kind of music?" they say . . . What comes next in your world of all-pervasive tradition?

Another problem, of course, is when I want to go hear some music. If someone is advertising themselves as folk and I show up at a rap show I'll be angry. "According to the 1954 definition", they say. "rap is folk music. Suibhne O'Piobaireachd said so!"

My biggest question for you is: Why?