"So the whole issue of illegals abusing the health service is utter tripe."

            No, not really. If the percentage of illegal aliens in the US continue to expand at the rate that they have since the disaserous bill passed in 1986, by about 2032 you'd have 140 million of them.

            So the Democrats, trying to court the Hispanic vote, could give lip service to not covering illegal aliens now, get the bill passed, and then agree to cover them later. They could not do that if there were enforcement measures in the bill as it goes through Congress now. And that's the issue.