Crow Sister,

To sustain whatever standard of life we think we have, and the one we aspire to have in our ever-extending old age, we need either a shed-load of extra taxpayers and service-providers each year or we need to all start paying a lot more of more progressive taxes and still find quite a lot of extra tax-payers each year. Year on year.

Governments need to ensure proper regulation of the labour and finance markets so that every job is a proper job. A job that has a minimum fair reward that allows each worker to participate in society to a commonly agreed minimum and reasonable standard.

If working people respond to the current laissez-faire feral capitalism by acting like bloody slavering hyena, fighting each other for the last scraps of flesh on the carcass, then all is lost. That way lies BNP politics.

Suppose the BNP took power and "kicked 'em all out". Where are our dentists, doctors, nurses, builders, agricultural workers? The "entitled" white majority have for years found "trades" to be somehow beneath their great entitled heritage. We now have several generations of illiterate dunderheads with stupid and pointless "degrees" in media science and tourism & leisure etc etc. BNP Britain is a truly terrifying place. We simply can't live without the immigrants who bring to this country a sense of diligent work and study ethic that it seems "the indigenous" have to a significant extent decided is beneath them.

I know that bloody pop density figures are ridiculous and pointless but the debate is dominated by people like Keith and The Telegraph and until we pull down their stupid totem poles of numpty facts and distorted figures, it seems we can't even approach a serious discussion about social need, social costs, social work and the issue of who on earth is going to do it (the work) and pay for it (the society)