Thanks for the elaboration Royston, elements of what you had to say I was aware of, others I was not. But I think to be honest too many of these 'discussions' miss the essentials by presuming that everyone knows the score. I've always been a socialist but I believe in hearing out all people, and especially those who's voice may not be well represented. In a democracy the voice of the masses, must be honestly heard and addressed - whatever their feelings are founded upon. Who is going to convince them, that it isn't Johnny Foreigner (with a Polish name this time) that left them with a two week labouring job rather than full-time employment, but the results of rampant Capitalism? I feel sad for some of my peers, some got the 80's council house pay-off, some got the lower middle class aspirational loadsa-money leg up, and the rest were left to scavenge on the skeletal carcass of industry which Thatcher left them. Thatcher shattered the working classes, and the BNP is the swarm of flies left in her wake.