It's not racist, Bubllyrat or Riginslinger, to talk about immigration. It's just a shame that in the UK, the people who shout the loudest are in fact racists and some of the most vocal are in fact Nazi's.

But, bubbly, you really should stop saying that this country has uncontrolled immigration becasue you know that is not true. To say something you know to be untrue is to lie, isn't it?

So the what we are trying to discuss is are we *now* and going forward, controlling migration properly (the points system designed only to admit people that we need) and then, once we have only the people we need, how do we provide resources for all necessary citizens of this country.

Unfortunately another truth here is that with an ageing population and a falling birth-rate, we need an awful lot of taxpayers and pension-fund investors from elsewhere. How do we get and provide for them, what on earth are we going to do if we can't get enough of them?

This dilemma exposes the ponzi scheme nature of all pension provision. Bubbly, you served in the military but your well-earned pension is entirely dependant on there being enough taxpayers around. It is not therefore a guaranteed thing.

Same applies to people in defined benefit company pensions - more retireees on the books need ever more workers paying in at the bottom.

Same for money purchase (equity) schemes.

Same for people deluded into thinking property is a pension - eventually everyone needs to cash in, and we know what that does to an asset's market value. Even worse if there aren't a lot of willing buyers.

Why can't we discuss these big issues?