That really is a good post, Lizzie. Factual, accurate and verifiable. Objective rather than subjective, calm , collected and none of the generalisations or implications of some of your earlier ones. No-one can dispute that post and surely you can see that when you make unverifiable and incorrect assetions, as you have, they will dispute them. Nothing to do with you as a person. Just some of your poorer thought out arguments. Your last post, like the thread about the bath handles, shows just what you are capable of and I know I open myself up to allegations of trying to control things whan I say this but, honestly, I am not. Can you not just think before you post? Maybe type it up in Word or notepad and post it two hours later? It could save you a lot of wrangling in future! Keep the passion - drop the crap:-)

Cheers

DeG