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Thread #124081 Message #2742000
Posted By: Lox
09-Oct-09 - 10:17 AM
Thread Name: BS: Tommy Teirnan - raving racist or what?
Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Teirnan - raving racist or what?
"For example I consider blackface performances to be offensive regardless of what the person is saying or doing-including dancing."
Blackface performance is not satire. It is racial caricature.
I also think it is offensive.
I think Harry Connick Junior was very restrained recently in Australia and if I had been there in his stead I would not have shaken the show hosts hand, but the minute the dance act had ended i would have verbally torn them to shreds, then torn the show to shreds then walked out in disgust.
To conclude that tommy tiernan is anti semitic is to remain wilfully ignorant of the context of his comments.
He is very clearly satirizing anti-semitic attitudes and therefore opposing anti-semitism as is 100% consistent with his job as a professional satirist.
By your rationale his comments about the Irish are anti-Irish which is clearly patent nonsense.
As for the issue of whether or not I am racist or anti semitic, I never had any consideration about whether you thought I was or wasn't. That has never been a consideration in my mind or on this thread until you mentioned it.
In other words I know you don't think that, but i wouldn't be worried anyway because i know I am not anyway.
On the subject of what I expect, my point wass that it is obvious that my example of how one might compose a piece of satire does not express any view about smokey let alone an offensive one. It demonstrates how satire can work.
Here is the important point.
Tommy tiernan at no point expressed ANY view about jews.
Neither did he at any point laugh at the holocaust.
If he had done either of those two thing s he could be called anti-semitic.
What he did was use an exxaggerated example of anti-semitism as part of a deeper context.
Azizi, it is not like you to disregard a well made point so as to cling on to a point of view to which you are loyal.
It is important to ensure that murderers do not walk the streets.
But we have to give suspected murderers a fair trial before we condemn them or even label them.
Tommy Tiernan has not expresse3d an anti semitic viewpoint so there is no evidence that he is anti-semitic.
He referred to an anti-semitic attitude.
I think I should probably drop out at this point too.