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Thread #124081 Message #2742770
Posted By: Lox
10-Oct-09 - 09:58 AM
Thread Name: BS: Tommy Teirnan - raving racist or what?
Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Teirnan - raving racist or what?
"There is no justification whatever in describing Teirnan's racist garbage as 'satire'"
Actually, I have shown quite clearly that it is extremely unlikely that it wasn't satire for the following reasons.
1, he is a satirist. (big clue)
2, he has answered his critics direcly and not shirked the accusations against him but met them head on and explined the meaning and motivation behind the SELECTIVE quote for which he is being condemned.
"his apologists have almost totally based their support on humour being above politics"
1, I am no apologist.
He did nothing wrong.
So there is no need to provide an excuse/apology.
2, If you reread, I have not said that humour is above politics, Ihave said that satire is a useful political weapon.
Jim - you're ignoring the substance of the debate and trotting out the same stuff without making any attempt to understand anything that's been said to you.
Here's a quote from your first post.
"He then went on to talk about two Americans who had approached him after a gig to complain about his jokes: "But these Jews, these f**king Jew c**ts come up to me. F**king Christ-killing bastards...""
So this was part of his show?
So he was telling a story?
So there are no actual Jewish Americans claiming that he insulted them?
So we know Tommy Tiernan said this but we don't know if it actually happened?
So the following statement is your invention.
"Two American Jews who complained about his act were told to fuck off, and referred to as "Christ Murderers" - no ambiguity there."
You follow up with
"The only mystery in all this is why Teirnen wasn't banged up for publicly inciting race hatred."
The answer is simple.
He wasn't.
He was lampooning/satirizing/parodying anti-semitic attitudes.
One thing which neither Jim, Azizi, Me or anyone else on this thread has provided so far is a link to the actual show so we can form a judgement based on EVIDENCE.
But Jim isn't bothered with evidence - he isn't even bothered to provide an argument.
You come across like a rabble rouser trying to whip up an angry mob.
I have no time for kangaroo courts nor vigilante Justice.