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Thread #124081   Message #2742776
Posted By: Jim Carroll
10-Oct-09 - 10:31 AM
Thread Name: BS: Tommy Teirnan - raving racist or what?
Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Teirnan - raving racist or what?
Actually, I have shown quite clearly that it is extremely unlikely that it wasn't satire for the following reasons.
Actually - you havent't shown anything particularly clearly, except that you are prepared to accept racism as entertainment.
"he is a satirist. (big clue)"
No he isn't - he is a 'comedian' who relies on foul-motherd abuse for effect.
"he has answered his critics direcly"
He hasn't explained anything - he (and his apologists) have claimed that humour is above good taste and decency.
"I am no apologist."
Yes you are - where do we go from here?
"He did nothing wrong."
Yes he did - he was racially abuse to Jews on stage.
"So there is no need to provide an excuse/apology.
So why did he apologise?
"satire is a useful political weapon."
Satire is indeed a powerful weapon - in skilled hands - here there is no effort to be satirical; just a bid for cheap laughs via racism (just like Bernard Manning et al).
"Jim - you're ignoring the substance of the debate and trotting out the same stuff without making any attempt to understand anything that's been said to you."
I've understood your point perfectly - I've spent a lifetime arguing with racists and their apologists.
"So he was telling a story?"
Whether it was or wasn't makes not the slightest difference - what he said was racist. However, some press reports claim that his 'joke' was based on an actual incident. His act was racist.
"He was lampooning/satirizing/parodying anti-semitic attitudes."
On what do you base this - and if it was, what has his act been pulled and why did he feel it necessary to apologise - satirists don't do that sort of thing.
"On thing which neither Jim, Azizi, Me or anyone else on this thread has provided so far is a link to the actual show so we can form a judgement based on EVIDENCE."
So on what basis are you defending his act - I'm basing my opinion on the fact that the language he used was overtly racially abusive, and I've seen his act before - no signs of 'satire' in my experience, just run-of-the-mill comedy?
"You come across like a rabble rouser trying to whip up an angry mob."
And you come across as a closet racist who lacks the bottle to come out of the closet (I have read some of your posts in the past).
Jim Carroll