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Thread #124081 Message #2742941
Posted By: Lox
10-Oct-09 - 02:57 PM
Thread Name: BS: Tommy Teirnan - raving racist or what?
Subject: RE: BS: Tommy Teirnan - raving racist or what?
Jim Carroll made the folloeing comment about me.
"you come across as a closet racist who lacks the bottle to come out of the closet"
I made the following request to Jim Carol on here and by PM
"Provide evidence of this or provide a retraction and an apology."
His response was.
"your defence of a racist stand-up commedian who has recently been transmogrified into a "satirist" by his supporters is proof enough for me"
I see.
It's just as well that the courts aren't run by the likes of Jim Carroll as he clearly has no concept of what constitutes evidence or racism.
In addition, I would add that until "I" posted the actual video, noone here, including myself and Jim had seen the video.
Which means Jim didn't know the facts before passing judgement on either me or TT.
Now that I have seen the video, I can knowledgeably say 3 things.
1. that TT's comments referring to the holocaust were decidedly dodgy and that what crow sister says about feeling safe amongst a complicit audience in comfortable environs is probably true.
TT needs to face up to this.
2. I can also say though that while crow sister is justified in finding his comments objectionable, she misses the point about why if she goes on to apparently retaliate against the Irish on behalf of jews.
The thing that is objectionable about TT's comments is their crassness, not the fact that it is jews who are on the receiving end.
So to apparently retaliate is to tar herself with the same brush.
And if she wishes to respond that her comments were made "in context" then she must allow the same leeway for TT.
You can't have your cake and eat it.
3. It is clear that Jim's original post is not accurate, nor his later assertion that "he told the americans to f*** off"
These are fabrications of Jim's.
This is revealing about his position and argumentative style, and renders his pathetic righteousness utterly lacking in credibility.
While it is clear that TT crossed a line and dealt in offensive material, it is also clear that Jim Carroll is prone to making judgements BEFORE being in possession of the facts.
Not that he is bothered about inconveniences like checking facts.