Sorry, GUEST of 15 Oct 09 - 05:23 AM was me. My cookie had crumbled

bubblyrat

Harold's defeat at Hastings was actually a giant leap forward for this country

I think some of the English nationalists believe that that was when the rot set in. One of them called itself the Malfosse Society. Malfosse was the site in the Battle of Hastings of the last stand of Englands aristocracy after Harold was killed.