Of course no proof of god isn't the same as proof of no god, but considering that proof has been being sought for millennia and never, ever found, can lead one to conclude, logically, with no faith involved, that they aren't there to be discovered.

Like we've said, when there are mountains of actual data on one side, and nothing but beliefs -not even a molehill- on the other, it isn't rational to say the question has to remain open for ever. At some point, it makes sense to not believe in the other.

Which is *not* saying that there is proof of no other. It's just saying that when you look at reality, there is no rational reason to continue to believe in deity.

Which should be fine with the believers, since after all, belief is *supposed* to take faith. I don't understand why they (the believers) insist that their belief be considered rational - faith isn't, and that is what belief in deity takes, and that is apparently the way the mythical deities want it anyway, so why argue about the data?