It seems to me that in the absence of anything to actually discuss, this has just descended into insults left over from previous arguments.
So I'll go and do something more productive.
I'm beginning to wonder, do *any* of the threads on these contentious issues ever help anyone rethink their stance or become helpful to anyone? Do they ever generate more light than heat? Do they always and inevitably turn into slanging matches? If someone can post a link to such a positive thread, I'd be delighted - and surprised.