I posted what I was proud of about England itself earlier, Les. Multi-culturalism and, in the main, tollerance, was the gist of it. I also said there is no way that anyone can be proud of being born in England - It was not their choice. One can only be genuinely proud of one's own achievements - not accidents of birth. I was going to comment on the links posted as well but Mr cringe has done it far more eloquently.

Lizzie - you are quite right of course. None of the things you mention are racist. The trouble is certain parts have been hijacked by the far right and perpetuating the myths put about by the rags does nothing but help their cause I'm afraid. It is always worth checking out facts before quoting the headlines.

Cheers

DeF