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Thread #125034   Message #2766421
Posted By: Guran
15-Nov-09 - 11:18 AM
Thread Name: Tech: Concertina handles - why different?
Subject: RE: Tech: Concertina handles - why different?
Ralphie;"My answer to Guran is. If it was such a good idea to have wristraps on an English, someone would have tried to do it by now.
RE: Do you actually mean *handstraps* like the "Anglo/Duet concept"? *Wriststraps* are commonly used on the English with the traditional arrangement for them at the sides of the frame, many salvationists for example have used them.
Henrik Müller uses a kind of "handstraps". I use a variant of "wriststraps" combined with a "wrist support" since about 20 years.

R:"Maybe you should try and build one".
I have built handles for Anglo, Duet and English.Some modifications of the whole constructions would be indicated but picking suitable models helps a great deal also

R:I went for the Duet because it resembled a piano, and I could use all 8 fingers. Just seem to make sense to me".
RE:I can use all 8 for the English, no problem...

R:I've played with Keith Kendrick on many an occasion, (plays English and Anglo), He's never commented that one form of support was harder to use than the other. He justs uses them for different puposes. English for the lyricism and Anglo for more bounce".
RE: Yes, and that illustrates the problem fairly well does it not? One concept is good for one kind or music and the other for some other kind. This is irrational, almost absurd.Of course both systems could be used ( with some difference of course but still) much more varied with better ergonomic conditions.The Anglo/Duet would benefit from a thumstrap, and the English from a support for the hand liberating the fingers.

R:"So, Guran. Design an English with wristraps, or take up the Duet"!
RE: I have done it all - I have "designed" a better handle that works for all systems and I have tinkered with Anglo, Duet and English..

R:"And to end, All musical instruments that have a mechanical element, are perforce to make compromises. (Sax, Clarinet, French Horn etc)".
RE: Certainly so, no reason to sit back not trying to improve things

R:"If you want to go and make a "hybrid" English, I\d be interested to see it. I think it unlikely that I'd change from the Duet though".
RE: You can find the handles here
http://www.concertina.net/goran_ergonom.html ....or here
http://englishconcertina.ning.com/forum/topics/concertina-a-perfect?id=3618601%3ATopic%3A3527&page=2#comments
(look for my reply Oct.16th 8:54 "Attachments")

There also was a discussion at c.net some 5 years ago on reforming the concertinas how a "hybrid" might be designed