And by the way, GfS, I am not going to take your word about your personal observations or that everything you say is well-documented but that I should look it up myself because you can't be bothered.

I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you want to have any credibility at all, provide authoritative links to back up what you claim.

I hear other things about the health care situation in California and its causes from people whom I consider to be less biased and more reliable than you.

Don Firth