All fair comment Naemanson and I know that I for one still need to learn the skill of counting to 10. Having said that, I do worry about the degree of loyalty expressed by fans and the way they can get over excited and react because of it. This is not a music one and certainly there must have been other factors involved like the state of the attacker but I will never forget reading the report of someody getting thier jugular vein ripped out by a broken bottle (yes a murder) in a pub that I used occasionally for stating that he didn't like Manchester United. I guess that has coloured my opinions on blind devtion of fans and their reactins for life.

Jon