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Thread #125469 Message #2780181
Posted By: Little Hawk
03-Dec-09 - 10:28 PM
Thread Name: BS: Afghan War mistake or wise
Subject: RE: BS: Afghan War mistake or wise
I simply picked a German officer whose name is well known and therefore recognizable to demonstrate a principle, Teribus, not to make any comment on Guderian's character. (I've never been under the impression that he had a bad character...) The principle is this: military officers and people from families with a military tradition generally tend to strongly support the official line that their country takes in regards to its waging a campaign on foreign ground. That's partly because it's their job to do that (if they are presently in uniform). It's partly because they tend to assume their side is right and the other side is wrong.
I did not pick out Heinz Guderian to say anything about Heinz Guderian in a personal sense. I was saying something about the way the traditional military mind often works, period.
Why would I see Heinz Guderian as a stereotype? I've always admired the man for his intelligence and his military expertise and the way he had the guts to stand up to Hitler on certain occasions, though I don't admire the political cause he fought for. If he was morally or otherwise opposed to launching some of those invasions (as you seem to suggest), then I admire him all the more for it. If it makes you happy, replace him in my original statement with some other German officer who better fits the fictional "stereotype" you imagine I see Germans as embodying.....maybe Reinhard Heydrich? Or Heinrich Himmler? I'm sure there is someone who would fit it to your satisfaction.
The point is...loyalists support empires. They support their empire when it's right, they support their empire when it's wrong. You are supporting the Anglo-American Empire and it is very wrong in what it's doing in Afghanistan and the Middle East. You believe the Empire's propaganda. Well, so have millions of others believed imperial propaganda down through the ages, so you are not alone.