You said... "Let me re- phrase the question, would you rather be raped by a homosexual or subjected to attempted murder by a woman holding a broken bottle and about to insert it into your anus?"

With an emphasis on "would YOU rather", and me being female, I am saying why would a homosexual [male]* want to rape a woman? Any woman? As you know, I have been on the thread throughout so have been reading. * my brackets

I am having great trouble understanding your premise and where it is coming from or going to. The example you are using, at least to me, is irrelevant, as it has nothing to do with original thread and it's continuing support from most of acceptance for gay people. Demonising them will not actually make the argument any more or less valid.

In short I do not understandit because I am not worrying about what gay people want to do. I accept they are gay through no choice of their own and they have a right to live as you and I, free and without prejudice. If they choose to risk their lives, along with the straight and bi sections of the community, by unsafe practices, then that is their own decision. Being gay is not a decision. This is not liberalsim, politically motivated, or agenda driven other than to accept the diversity that is human nature. Your argument appears to stand against just gay men. IF the argument was to be to try and educate and stop the sexual carnage that is going on with promiscuity for all sexualities, I would agree with you far more. Indeed, I advocate safe sex for everyone in any case. Where you and I seem to differ, and others on this thread, is that we do not see it as a gay issue.

We really must agree to disagree akenaton as we do seem to be on very opposite sides. I am not willing to name call to make any other points. People can have their opinions. I would like to think mine are based on experience and research as I know it. I simply cannot go along with your argument... though I did read the last sentence of your post to me (in whatever dialect it was written in it was understandable with a little practice). It's not complicated. It's just that we disagree and I fear that will remain the case on this topic.

And now I must go to bed as I have work in the morning and I am up later than I should be.

Good luck with your postings

mp