Well, I've been out much of the day, and am pleased on my return to see that people have been posting to this one.

The crop circles in the corn that sophocleese mentions were a few years back, and they happened about a mile and a half from where I'm presently living near Orillia, Ontario, Canda. They were a hoax, and a fairly obvious one.

There have been other well documented crop circles in many places that could not possibly have been hoaxes, and obviously were created by some form of purposeful intelligence. Whether it was UFO's I do not know, nor do I have any strong opinion on that.

Skeptics generally remain skeptics, because their emotional safety net is built around just that...and they will not bother to investigate further on the matter.

And that is why, Bert, I do not bother much any more explaining the details of my own UFO experiences to a skeptic. I know there will always be skeptics, as long as the UFO's don't descend by the thousands on every piece of land on this Earth and all on the same day (as in "Independence Day", a stupendously idiotic movie). And I know that no amount of personal testimony by me or anyone else (such as Jimmy Carter or a great many other famous and well-informed people) will serve to make the skeptic change his mind.

It is rather akin to a native on a little Pacific island trying to explain to the other natives that he saw a huge wooden ship go sailing by, with giant white wings hanging from tall bare trees...and what looked like almost human figures clustered on its decks, dressed in strange gear and armour! Ha! The other natives laugh at him, accuse him of being drunk on fermented coconut juice, say he had a hallucination, say he must have been asleep and dreamed it, because EVERYBODY knows that there is no such thing as alien beings from other islands. They'll even say he's lying just to get attention!

The UFO guys I saw could no doubt take over this planet if they wanted to. They obviously don't want to. Maybe they have reached a higher moral plane than the Spanish conquistadors or our own present civilization and are content to simply observe and not interfere. Or maybe this place is just too small and backward in their terms to really merit more than a bried look.

The possibilities are endless.

I have never met a born skeptic yet who had a sincere interest in finding out anything he hadn't already made his mind up about. Only a direct UFO experience of his own will change that...and that's been known to happen.

I find our present political, monetary, and social system a lot harder to believe in than space aliens...if you know what I mean...

What I meant to say about cardinal numbers is that 3, 5, and 7 are cardinal numbers, and that may have a symbolic significance, like a code. There has been a great deal of apparently intentional numerical structure of a coherent sort in crop circles, as well as in structures such as the pyramids in Egypt and Central America. This raises many questions. Numbers and geometry are sacred in most ancient traditions, as they reflect spiritual order and structure amid the apparent chaos of creation. As above, so below.