There is little more than a couple times in the history of the Silent Service that an entire sub & crew were lost during peace time, two of those times were American subs, the Thresher & the Scorpion on which my brother served as a seal on a sub, thank God he was on the sick list when she went down(he never got survivor's leave & he never got over survivor's guilt either). We did for them no better then than what the Russians are doing now. They'll be no survivor's leave if they are to be added to that number, send along your prayers for mariners all. Barry