Thanks for the correct spelling of Kursk.

I re-read my post and I still don't see anything there suggesting that I was critical of the crew. Whatever their mission was, it is over now and they are helpless. Of course they deserve to be rescued! I do object to the obstinacy of the Russian Navy "High Command", in refusing outside help. They should be rescued by any means possible, even it it comes from the USA, UK, or anywhere. And I don't think there is any humiliation involved.

Regarding the Thresher and the Scorpion, the situation was different. They sank below crush depth immediately, so there was no chance of a rescue. I am glad to hear that Barry's brother was on leave from the Scorpion, but I have never been able to imagine "survivor's guilt". They say it happens to lots of people, so it must be real.

I remember the first time I heard Eternal Father Strong to Save. Didn't like the tune at all, but I was astonished to hear a hymn that was actually about something real -- about people right here on earth in a situation that was worth praying for. AMEN!

== Johnny in OKC