GfS, where the snideness comes in with you and Ake is that you two were the first to try to refute those who did not agree with you by attempting to denigrate them by insulting them on a personal level, calling them "stupid," calling them such things as "liberal fascists," and generally trying to lump them (us) into some fictional political movement dedicated to promoting homosexuality when that is not the case at all. The primary concern is the matter of civil rights (which is not a political issue, it's a human rights issue), which you and Ake simply refuse to recognize.

Recently Ake listed a few names of people whom he regarded as sufficiently stupid and contemptible that he would no longer bother to answer them. The fact, of course, is that these were the people who were asking the difficult questions—questions that he either could not answer or was afraid to answer honestly for fear of revealing too much about his prejudices and motives.

And you tried to undercut my credibility by building a whole fictional scenario about my being morally remiss and, hence, emotionally disturbed because of a relationship of mine that I happened to allude to on another thread, that occurred over forty years ago, and about which you know absolutely nothing. That, GfS, is fighting dirty. And I didn't start it. You and Ake did.

Neither you nor Ake seem to be willing to discuss this matter in reasonable terms without resorting to insults, so your attempts at "reconciliation" here (if that is, indeed, what it appears to be) tends to ring hollow.

Show good faith by refraining from the insults and pigeon-holing (e.g., such things as accusing us of a "political stand," which you used in your most recent post) and give straight answers when they are asked of you and we might have a basis for rational discussion.

Don Firth