BB you can't sit around and wait for Bush or Obama to fulfill their promises. It's not up to them. It's up to us. We empower them unnecessarily.

Carol, remember they said that
Obama couldn't get elected because he was black. Kucinich could be president but not if we enable negative opinions about him.

Almost every president of the US has "lied" at one time another. It's part of the job description given the euphemism "plausible deniability".

When people lose enough jobs, have to pay unduly high insurance premiums, realize that their tax dollars are going toward a futile occupation in the Mid-east, get soaked for prescription drugs and see who are proactive and reactive in politics, then something
important for the country can get done.

So what if Obama, Bush et. al are "lying"? Let's hold their feet to the fire and finally
"speak truth to power". Now Chomsky maintains that talking is not enough. To speak
today must mean to act.

In the meantime, to concentrate on who is lying or telling the truth is beating a dead horse.

There is a culture war going on this country today. Until it is resolved, there will continue to be lies, wars, invective and nothing constructive happening. What's needed today is
honest dialogue, not some rant about who is lying or not.

I keep saying why am I wasting my time talking about things here on Mudcat? It's because I believe there are some intelligent people here worthy of opening up significant dialogue.
We have common interests such as seeing our tax dollars well spent, not being soaked by corporate greed and being able to think for ourselves. We don't want lives spent in
futile wars. We want to be able to have everyone enjoy the prosperity of a country built on an idealism that includes "the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

Stop kvetching about what politicians are saying and get active.