Don:"This is not politics! It is not pro-Gay propaganda! It is a matter of civil liberty, and civil rights under the law."

I hope this addresses your post.....
IF,(big 'IF"), the homosexual question, is a matter of being born that way (genetic, but unsubstantiated, and never proven), then, in deed, that is one issue. But in all the studies, even the ones you posted, those ACTUALLY BORN, with a condition, is no more than 2%,...and as low as .2%. This is not a matter of race, creed or color, or even national origin.
Now, if people are 'adopting' that claim, then it is THEM, that are infringing with other people's civil rights, by co-opting those who are truly born with homosexual leanings, to accommodate an acquired preference, either by choice, or by immaturity. Face it, whether hetero, or homo, people are far more inhibited about admitting who and why they chose to have sex with, and for what reason. Couldn't it be something as simple as they were just horny, and leave out the 'ennobled' crap about being 'in love', when after all, they were just 'in heat'??? Like it, or not, let's not feed each other a line of hogwash, which amounts to not much more than bar talk!...and make a 'civil rights' issue of it!!!!
Now if people want to live together, and do whatever they do, that is their own business. If, or when they want 'out', or want to go 'straight', which happens, contrary to your position, but inconsistent with the FACTS, as noted by several posts, including your own, then it is YOUR position, politically, that would DENY them help, or counseling. How is that equal civil rights???????

I think getting to the cause(s), is far more constructive than beating this issue, ad 'infinitum', and ad 'nauseum', and getting nowhere.

You've stated repeatedly, that homosexuality, was irreversible, but posted posts, that say differently. Joe as well, as with myself. So, why apply the 'civil rights' issue to where it clearly does not apply??
I personally think you may be sincere, with your concerns, but to apply them here, I also think you are sincerely wrong.

I was going to address another post, regarding this, and now by jumping off to this, I think, unfortunately, that it may just turn into the needless bickering, instead of getting to any understanding, as we were before.
I think exploring what IS the CAUSE, is key, to coming to an understanding, just how much the premise is, in regards to whether this is truly a civil rights issue....and I would think, that would concern you.......unless I'm wrong, and you are just waving the civil rights banner anywhere for anything.....and I think you may be just a bit more intelligent than that!

So, let's look into the CAUSE, before we make any claim, as to a 'cure'(Amos), or whether, people can re-define marriage, just to suit their sexual fantasies.

Doesn't that seem to be a more logical, honest and intelligent approach, as opposed to irrational doling out of applying a civil rights posture, which in FACT, would end up DENYING them of their real civil rights????....and psychological/medical aid, for a condition, that the same political agenda denies existing??? This is a deceptive distraction, which has potentially dangerous consequences, that reach far beyond this issue. Think it through.
Sorry, the thread took this turn...but let's make the best of it, and hope cooler heads prevail!
Regards,
GfS