I think this thread would go a lot more smooth, if we could all stop projecting what each other think, and re-acting to those presumptions. Ake's position, which is 'after the fact', about health issues, while being a valid concern, is not the sole concern, as he has stated in the
prop 8 thread. I think, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is that when he posted the health issues, and the AIDS/HIV stats, the thread got detoured, into those arguing if he was saying AIDS was caused by homosexuals, which, of course he did not say, nor is it true. So everyone starts re-acting to that argument, and insulting each other, when is people had just read what he was posting, ABOUT THAT SUBJECT, ALONE, there should have not been much controversy....but because things are taken out of context, misquoted, and argued defensively, instead of just taken in, we end up with these divisions...instead of building upon, and more insights shared.

As to myself, and asked why, the subject is of interest to me....originally, in the Prop 8 thread, I specifically stated, BEFORE, I offered an opinion, that I reserved offering one, unless I could dialogue with someone who was truly educated, on the subject...because I am!....Though the focus of my practice, did not focus on that issue exclusively, I did NOT want to engage with those who primarily were unschooled on the subject, other than their 'feelings' about it!..............which outcome is certainly obvious to what this has evolved into.

How come, with the max. of 2% of homosexuals being that way from birth, do ALL homosexuals claim they were of that 2%???...What about the remaining 98%???

Why do people INSIST on it being genetic, when the scientist conducting the studies, say that that is NOT conclusive???...nor can find the gene???

Why do homosexuals INSIST they had 'no choice', until they get out of it?????..and 'renounce' it???

How can homosexuality be such a brain lock, and yet an emotion, such as 'fear', as said by Don Firth, perhaps 'fear of going to hell', and they snap out of it????.......How come people don't 'snap INTO' it?

I've got more thought provoking questions....and that being said, I'm NOT ATTACKING homosexuals, or homosexuality, but I'm hoping that you THINK these questions through, BEFORE expounding some of your 'brilliant' expertise....because. frankly, some of you are making embarrassing asses of yourselves....respectfully, of course.

How, in San Francisco, can city government employees, can get sex change operations paid for with tax dollars, which include counseling how to cope with the operation, and gender 'transformation'...but you can't get them to pay for counseling, if you're feeling those tendencies, have a family, with children, and DON'T want to become homosexual...lose your marriage, and family???......Because some political hack says you have no choice, and can't change?????....Now whose CIVIL RIGHTS are being denied??????

Something to think about!
Learn HOW TO THINK...NOT WHAT TO THINK!!!!!!!!

Without attacking anyone,
GfS