George, yeah, I know. I wasn't trying to say that this isn't a tragedy, or to change the subject. What I was trying to say (but didn't get across) was that any survivors will probably die because their government values it's pride over the sailor's lives.

(Off the subject, George, but just wanted to respond to something you said: Russian atrocities make American and British atrocites look like acts of kindness)

---Lepsu Rex