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Thread #126269   Message #2806125
Posted By: Steve Gardham
07-Jan-10 - 06:28 PM
Thread Name: The Gypsie Laddies 500th Anniversary ??
Subject: RE: The Gypsie Laddies 500th Anniversary ??
Looking at Sigrid's paper it would appear that Child's main informant on this was MacMath and he offended MacMath whilst he was getting the info from him. It seems reasonable to assume that further info might be in MacMath's Mss which I think could be at Dumfries. I've just been looking at the Dumfries and Galloway Natural History and Antiquarian site and I think I saw Frank Miller did some research into Macmath's papers in the 30s.

p89 'Gypsies, or Romany, are generally supposed not to have entered Eng & Sc much earlier than 1500......thus our investigations must be limited to the 16th&17th cs.' Child mentions the first ref to Johnny Faa as of 1540 in Pitcairn. Famously when James V gave protection and immunity to Faa and his company, as 'Earl of Little Egypt'

From what I can see the paper seems to concentrate on 17thc links between the Cassilis and Faas, possibly because Child concentrates on this period and the popular tradition relating to the 6th Earl and his wife of which of course there is no inkling of an abduction or elopement.

I sympathise with Joe. Even though I hold extensive indexes I have snippets like this in folders all over the place and can't always lay my hands on them. Creeping senility doesn't help!