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Thread #126240   Message #2807938
Posted By: Ruth Archer
09-Jan-10 - 09:09 PM
Thread Name: BS: Islamic Protest in Wootton Bassett
Subject: RE: BS: Islamic Protest in Wootton Bassett
"too stoooopid to have the power to incense people....tooooo stoopid to make them think..."

Yes, Lizzie, we all know how clever you think you are. The BNP incense people. The Daily Mail incenses people. The moronic trolls who linger on the periphery at Mudcat incense people. Pissing people off is not the same thing as making them think. It doesn't take brains or power - sometimes, as in this case, it just takes a lot of inflammatory language and an obstinate insistence on posting unsubstantiated and defamatory rubbish.



From Lizzie: "And therein lies the danger of the BNP, Carol....because many people are shite fed up in this country with feeling that the host nation has surrendered so very much, that we have become almost second class citizens in our own land.

You have to treat *everyone* equally, otherwise you create far more problems than you could ever dream of."


So what you're saying is that the danger of the BNP is that, when you hold bigoted beliefs, it turns out that your politics are actually quite close to theirs. Yes, that is quite dangerous.

The "host nation" has surrendered what, exactly? Despite your protestations above where you say you've not mentioned immigrants, does this post not imply that you believe Britain HAS surrendered these things, whatever they are, to people from outside the "host nation" - ie immigrants?

When I asked you for examples of what you have surrendered, and how you have become a second-class citizen in "your" own land, or for ways that people from outside the "host nation" have been given more privileges than you (thereby making you "less equal" on some level), you couldn't provide any evidence. Quelle surprise.

In fact, as many people have pointed out, Choudary (who was born in London, so he is presently in his "host nation") is merely exercising the very same rights and privileges that any British person would be able to exercise. By wishing to deny him (or anyone else who holds views of which you do not approve) this right, you are undermining fundamental British freedoms. Even if you disapprove of Choudary's ideology and approach (and I do), he is taking part in the great tradition of dissent, which is a cornerstone of British democracy. Instead of more ill-informed ranting in here, I suggest you go and read some Thomas Paine.