OK Liz.

I now regard to you as too stupid to be worthy of discussion. Anyone disagree?

However, on the point you raise about the innocent turning in the guilty, it happens all the time - Like the family of the underpants bomber Umar Farouk Abdul Muttalab. They reported their concerns to the authorities who took, errm, absolutely no notice of them at all.

The autistic/aspergers chap that tried to blow up a cafe in Exeter a couple of years ago...concerns reported by his local mosque, not taken seriously again.

There are plenty of press reports with testimony from the UK security services that a vast amount of their actionable intelligence includes or originates from reports by concerned Muslims.

Liz you know absolutely nothing, and *everything* you say turns out be either a lie or just plain wrong.

Is there no amount of evidence, no number of dismal failures that would ever persuade you to shut up, go away somewhere that you can't bother decent folk, and take some classes in rational thought?

Don't start back-pedalling now "I was the first to present an example...Muslims speaking out for themselves..." when your whole point has been to portray those good folk as the excpetion to Lizzie's rule that all 2bn Muslims are to blame for what's happening.

Face your shame Lizzie, try to learn something from it.